Bigtree’s job as a field producer required he tease out the most intimate details of the guest’s most sensitive problems for introductory and interstitial videos. With his crown of barely tamed grey curls, bright blue eyes and California tan, the 49-year-old Bigtree is the perfect spokesperson. @TBruce Propaganda? It took me a few seconds to pull up a couple stories detailing RFK Jr.’s gross distortions, exaggerations and outright lies, starting with the following from Seth Mnookin: “Just four days after a correction confirmed that his story (in Rolling Stone/Salon) had misstated the levels of ethylmercury infants had received — it was actually “40 percent, not 187 times, greater than the EPA’s limit for daily exposure to methyl mercury”— Kennedy told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, “We are injecting our children with 400 times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considers safe.” Kennedy also said on-air that children were being given 24 vaccines and that each one of them had “this thimerosal, this mercury in them.”, “Those statements were not even remotely true: In 2005, the CDC recommended that children under 12 years old receive a total of eight vaccines that protected against a dozen different diseases. [4] Wakefield was looking for help to produce a film based on his conspiracy theories. They exaggerate their numbers. Wakefield’s doctoral student apparently got this right even though the lab he sent the samples to botched it. Although we know this, people who are enraptured by woo-meisters/ anti-vax proselytisers think that the mis-information/ tall tales they are presented with ARE standard research. Well played. And he is wrong, terribly wrong. To all of you here … Children are precious. I think that the anti vaccine crowd are pushing misinformation and scare mongering vulnerable populations and they know it. Then when you are done with that tell us what you know about the Vaccine Safety Datalink. Before 1963, when the vaccine was introduced to the United States, 3 million to 4 million Americans were infected each year, with thousands developing complications that led to hospitalization or lifelong disability. This is, of course, a perfectly acceptable methodology when the primary outcomes measured are not subjective, like antibody responses. But it was enjoyable and easy to watch. Just don’t get Orac started on integrative medicine. Watch Donate To Ican COVID 2020: WHO WINS? The number tops the 963 cases recorded by the CDC in 1992. You just want us to fact-check RFK, Jr’s miscellaneous claims for you? So we have to think of these people when we think about vaccinations too. “Wonderful, Beth is back Just Asking Questions.”. Arguably it’s better than a saline placebo because it allows identification of whether any adverse effects observed were truly due to the vaccine antigens, particularly when you remember that MMR doesn’t contain aluminum adjuvants or mercury-containing thimerosal preservative, two of the biggest bogeymen in the antivaccine universe. Apologies for the rushed and possibly redundant response. Truth won’t stop Bigtree, who is caught in a feedback loop of grief and misinformation, grief and misinformation, grief and misinformation. “Measles virus (MV) is highly contagious pathogen, which causes a profound immunosuppression, resulting in high infant mortality.” Cell Mol Immunol. I thought she knew how to look at a bibliography at the end of a paper. I didn’t see anything that would contradict the claim Kennedy made. Quit picking nits, Michael. How many times has your doctor given you different advice based on different findings? CISA and PRISM were linked in the post Orac linked to, but neither of those qualify as an active reporting system for vaccine adverse events. Reported episodes of alopecia (hair loss) after rechallenge with hepatitis B vaccine suggest that vaccination might, in rare cases, trigger episodes of alopecia (183). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754936. Comments for the article will probably close within the next day. Twenty one studies have investigated vaccines and autism. --It's-a me, Lefty Green Mario! IRB approvals have to include a plan for how the researcher plans to protect confidential information. I mean, I get that you’ve already started doing option two but maybe you’d like to change tack? I complain a lot about bad reporting, more specifically false balance, in reporting about vaccines. Orac was responding to this claim by Mr. Bigtree: “Bigtree claims that VAERS is the only system we have to monitor vaccine safety in the US.” He is correct to point out we have multiple active monitoring systems in place, though I agree the term used should be “active monitoring” and not “reporting”. This is one of the silliest things I have ever read, and it suggests that you consider “medications” to be some sort of psychic blob. Don’t these show up in the Federal Register? All I have to do is to sign this little thing saying that I’m not going to vaccinate because I think they’re dangerous—and they are dangerous. These guys are the very epitome of Dunning-Kruger. “It was intense.”. 2016 Nov;13(6):828-838. They are the result, NOT the cause. To all of you here … Children are precious ..and all this nit picking between.you all… Question vaccine ingredients his insanity ? Please define define “completely understand.” You want more digits in the fine-structure constant? “There really wasn’t a way out for him,” she says. Thank you for your help in establishing what evidence is available. No wonder the anti-vax movement is gaining so many followers. Lisa Pagliaro Selz, 68, worked for Manufacturers Hanover Trust and Tiffany and Co. RotavirusExternal Ignoring any ethical or moral issues, until now his business model is a success: no R&D spend, no technology/manufacturing costs (and thereby no disruptive technology threat), he isn’t liable in anyway for his “product”, he’s not accountable to FDA for his claims, and even in an outbreak he can personally make ~1.5 million simoleons. That doesn’t mean anything really, even less after seeing the chumps in here. Important pressure for this decision came from Dorothy Horstmann at Yale, who was convinced by her comparative studies of rubella vaccines [31], and by Maurice Hilleman at Merck, who sought a better rubella strain for measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine.”, Stanley Plotkin on The History of Rubella and Rubella Vaccination Leading to Elimination. Here is the thing, you made a claim. Using VSD data that are updated each week, the rates of adverse events that occur in people who have received a particular vaccine are compared to the rate of adverse events that occurs in a similar group of people who have not received that vaccine. Row upon row of parents stood up and started to cry and embrace, “It was extremely moving,” Tommey says. And it was not that long ago. It currently takes cultured mammalian cells to grow a virus like rubella in sufficient quantities for a vaccine, you scientific ignoramus!) I never said it was fact. But they know it all. Yeah, I am always amused when I am told I am a condescending little man. You say I’ll be asked for proof to back up my comments. I think she just wants to argue. Nice. Facts are determined by evidence, and if the evidence is not on your side, you’re simply wrong. There was nothing in the project to suggest it would make him much money. Someone said you can’t argue with science. Left Brain Right Brain reports VAXXED pulled in 1.3 million dollars in donations, and that most of it went to a company owned by Wakefield and Polly Tommey. First, let’s look at ICAN’s press release from last week, “MMR Vaccine Licensing Called Into Question Following ICAN’s Latest FOIA Exposure of FDA Coverup“: In another significant legal win for vaccine risk awareness non-profit Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), a new Freedom of Information Act disclosure from the Federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has revealed that the MMR vaccine was licensed based on clinical trials which in total had less than 1,000 participants and far more adverse reactions than previously acknowledged. He does not make any claim about whether or not there are other monitoring or surveillance systems. Since the publication of Wakefield’s Lancet paper, 21 studies have investigated vaccines and autism. Vaxxed documents an alleged government coverup of a study that found a wildly implausible 340-percent increased risk of autism in African American children after MMR vaccinations and its subsequent “reanalysis,” which seemed to confirm the initial findings. As it stands now, it’s so horribly abused we’d be better off ditching it. : )). Sure, unless the child is a baby under a year old… then it is just misery with a chance of stroke. The studies that Bigtree zeros in on are trials #442 and #443 (pages 9-43). Which vaccines on the pediatric schedule would you agree are good choices for parents to get for their children? The problem with this version of events is twofold. Precisely. Director Andrew Wakefield and producer Del Bigtree discuss Vaxxed with Thom Hartmann on The Big Picture RT. Give us a little more information and we'll give you a lot more relevant content, Oops! Good day and good health to all of you who stay in the echo chamber. What Vaxxed did allow was for Bigtree to get in front of the camera and exert the creative control he didn’t have on The Doctors. @Orac – thank you for the correction. Like many online activists, Bigtree has a significant following and almost no name recognition with the general public. That same hospital just admitted a six month old with measles, after exposing the emergency department: https://mynorthwest.com/1395853/baby-confirmed-measles-case-seattle-childrens/, I’m not going to be civil to little men making derisive, condescending comments and thinly veiled challenges just so they can say “gotcha”. Cue for Narad to bug me about my choices…. I was questioning the practice of vaccine stacking before I was even aware of Andrew Wakefield. So a child might be sick on day 3, have a tummy ache on day 20 and diarrhea on day 33; and be counted 3 times. Has anyone ever wondered why so many people are listening to Del Bigtree and Bobby Kennedy rather than their doctors? “Kennedy has it on his cite, so go look for a counter for me without me actually giving you a way to factcheck” is problematic. In fact, the last confirmed U.S. death from measles was four years ago, when a 28-year-old woman died in Washington state. [25], Bigtree is the public face and the chief executive of the anti-vaccination group Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), with Lisa Selz as its president. Children younger than 7 get DTaP. They develop procedures for doing tests reliably like detecting the wild and vaccine strains of measles virus. I’m pretty sure claims of vaccine induced autism are not really what the pharmacist is meant to be dealing with, however. Oh, sometimes they answer it. The panel concluded that Wakefield had financial and ethical conflicts of interest, and had acted “dishonestly and irresponsibly.” Twelve years after the study’s publication, the Lancet retracted it. Here’s the paper that describes this (I’m not any good a links): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25954009 @TBruce He fails so much with the actual science and statistics. I’m sure you are quite capable of doing that for yourself.”. Where is your data and evidence? Here’s the thing about Beth. My comments are getting removed. “Fostering demand, particularly among people who don’t It promotes parental choice/non-medical vaccine exemptions[18] and vaccine hysteria (e.g. There are over 50,000 pediatricians in the United States – all of whom must be being bribed, if you are right. Second, reinfection on exposure to wild rubella virus was demonstrated frequently with all strains except the RA 27/3 vaccine [28–30]. And apparently you are the ones chosen to decide who’s “science” is worthy and who’s is not? Their money has gone to a handful of determined individuals who have played an outsize role in spreading doubt and misinformation about vaccines and the diseases they prevent. But if you manage to come up with real, verifiable evidence to the contrary you can get people to listen. Chris, yes Miles Power has on his YouTube channel some truly spectacular examples of editing being used to make a person seem to say the opposite of what they actually did say.

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